Friday, November 20, 2009

Why conservatives fear stolen elections

Conservatives are terrified these days that America's election system is being corrupted by groups like ACORN and big public employee unions.

In his fundraising letter, Lake Placid Conservative Doug Hoffman said...
"Recent developments leave me to wonder who is scheming behind closed doors, twisting arms and stealing elections from the voters of NY-23."
A poll out this week by Public Policy Polling found that a huge swath of Republicans are also convinced that the 2008 presidential election was "stolen."
Losing NY-23 candidate Doug Hoffman became the latest in an increasingly long line of conservative politicians to blame his problems on ACORN yesterday despite the complete lack of evidence the organization played any role in his defeat.

The Republican base is with him though.

PPP's newest national survey finds that a 52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately.
First, let me be clear about my position on this.

I've looked closely at allegations of vote-stealing for years. (Similar claims were made about John Kerry's defeat in 2004.)

They are, by and large, bunk. No credible analyst has found any evidence that presidential elections have been "stolen" at any time in recent American history.

The notion that ACORN stole the election from John McCain is ludicrous.

The 2000 presidential outcome, Bush v. Gore, is a singular case; in that election, the outcome was decided openly by the US Supreme Court.

The result may be questionable -- but it wasn't a secretive process.

Now let me return to the question that frames this post: Why do so many conservatives think American elections are being stolen?

I think the answer is pretty simple: They can't swallow the idea that average American voters would choose a different path.

Beginning in the late 1930s, Republicans like Robert Taft were convinced that New Deal style policies created by Franklin Roosevelt were a temporary and unacceptable aberration.

They saw it as the GOP's job to roll back "big government" ideas, many of them borrowed or adopted from Europe.

But to Taft's dismay, Republicans chose liberals and moderates to run for the White House in 1948 and 1952. (President Dwight Eisenhower openly called himself "a liberal.")

In 1968, Barry Goldwater again took up the conservative banner, arguing that Americans were hungry for a return to pre-Roosevelt principles.

He lost by a landslide.

Still, conservatives coined the phrase "silent majority" (and "Moral Majority") to suggest that somehow there was an underrepresented pool of right-of-center voters waiting to be tapped.

This rhetoric has shifted a little in recent years, with conservative politicians suggesting that there is a "real America" or "pro-America areas of this great nation" (both phrases used by Sarah Palin) that are being disenfranchised.

Frankly, it's a troubling development.

When conservatives move deliberately from being empowered participants in the national debate to being self-described victims, it's hard to know how to continue the discussion.

And I worry that over time more and more conservatives will adopt the notion that elections are irrelevant deceptions.

This kind of cynicism and disenchantment may have deflated Doug Hoffman's turnout last month.

(I have no evidence to support this suggestion, other than my own surprise that his grassroots support was so lackluster.)

The bottom line is that America is a largely centrist country, as is this region of northern New York.

Moderate politicians with practical, relatively non-ideological agendas tend to do well, a fact that frustrates true believers on both ends of the political spectrum.

For many conservatives, that reality is unacceptable. In the end, they would much rather blame ACORN.

21 Comments:

At November 20, 2009 9:34 AM , Anonymous frank thies said...

Brian, it's an old line, but that ' can be at issue here.

You wrote: "I've looked closely at allegations of vote-stealing for years. (Similar claims were made about John Kerry's defeat in 2004.)"

Please consider the study done of Ohio's voting problems in 2004 by are own local statistician (and musical artist) Richard Hayes Phillips. What Phillips discovered puts your speculation in a different light. His study can be found at http://www.witnesstoacrime.com/

 
At November 20, 2009 9:36 AM , Anonymous frank thies said...

I bungled my first sentence. It is to read, "Brian, it's an old line, but 'cognitive dissonance' can be at issue here.

Sorry for being all thumbs.

 
At November 20, 2009 9:44 AM , Anonymous frank thies said...

Brian, BTW, wonderful analysis, especially covering the recent histories of the liberal/conservative dichotomy. Keep up the good work. Your topics are timely and relevant to our local and national political situation.

 
At November 20, 2009 9:51 AM , Blogger Brian said...

"In 1968, Barry Goldwater again took up the conservative banner, arguing that Americans were hungry for a return to pre-Roosevelt principles.

He lost by a landslide."

Actually Goldwater's landslide loss was in 1964.

 
At November 20, 2009 9:59 AM , Blogger Brian said...

I've lived in Africa so I still follow African current affairs. And it's pretty much standard practice that any time someone loses a big election, they cry fraud. Of course, quite often it's true but sometimes, it's simply down to the fact that the incumbent has name recognition and patronage and thus loyalty of a lot more people with vested interests. The crying fraud is so reflexive from losing candidates over there that you don't really bat an eyelash. Sadly, it's starting to become reflexive over here too... and there's a lot less evidence of the claims being credible.

Basically, it's about the explosion of grievance politics in the last 15 years (not a new phenomenon in our country, think Nixon, but it goes in cycles). The current cycle started with Gingrich and his followers, then it became Dems spending eight years obsessing about 2000, then Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, the Tea Baggers, the Birthers... It's no longer about honest disagreements. Anyone who disagrees with you is obviously of bad faith and wants to destroy the country.

 
At November 20, 2009 3:45 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, the critics of the 2000 election did have a legitimate grievance. The Supreme Court overruled the state's right to a recount, but gutlessly said it shouldn't be a precedent. And most of the evidence--ie most methods of selecting which were "legitimate" ballots--points to a Gore victory.
That lack of clarity in a recent election, plus historical election thefts like LBJ's 1948 Senate race and (perhaps) JFK's victory in 1960, opens the way for such speculation, even if, in this case, there's no apparent merit in it.
It's a logical extension of the paranoid style in American politics.

 
At November 20, 2009 4:15 PM , Anonymous frank thies said...

touché

Great history lesson. Dems equally have been guilty of election fraud, or to be kind, shenanigans.

Just look at Tammany Hall in NY City in the 18th and 19th centuries. Wow, what a racket!

I've said before that I'm a fan of the Yankees. However, I feel heartsick when they win because of bad calls by the umpires against their opponents.

That's not saying the umps "fix" the game (as politicians may do in politics), but I detest even the appearance of partiality or shenanigans in their calls.

Then I have to hear it from Mets fans that the umps are all for Steinbrenner and his TV market.

Makes life tough my friend. Very tough.

 
At November 20, 2009 5:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, Frank.
I'm a bit on the fence on Kerry 2K4.
Not sure they needed actual theft; the way they gummed up the lines in districts in Columbus and Cleveland was pretty effective.
On the other hand, there was such a huge turnout in the Bush parts of the state that no amount of shenanigans would have made a difference.

 
At November 20, 2009 5:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To blame ACORN for the 2008 Presidential Election outcome is revisionist history at its zenith.
Did those GOPers that believe the ACORN stole the election forget two very simple facts?

1-Obama received more votes than any candidate in history. Over 69 million.
2-Obama more than doubled the McCain/Palin ticket in the Electoral College. 365-173

We are not talking about a close election here. If we were I would listen to their accusations, but it defies all logic given the numbers.

 
At November 20, 2009 6:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fear is what makes Conservatives tick. It is the message. It is their platform, their base. Do you know any happy conservatives?

 
At November 23, 2009 1:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there any merit to assuming that ACORN helped get Al Franken the 300 votes (out of millions cast) that he won the Minnesota Senate seat by?
I don't argue the 2008 Presidential election, but when an organization (ACORN) is getting accused and dragged to court on voter fraud charges in half the states in our great country, I question things. Am I being a victim? I don't think so. Elections should be run fair, but when the ACORN's of the world are registering Mickey Mouse and who knows who else, I open my eyes. I don't look the other way. When ACORN is paying low income people by the number of people they get registered or to the polls to vote and tell the people who to vote for, I open my eyes. There is a criminal element out there and sadly most of it has ties to the Democrats (ACORN, unions, etc.).

 
At November 23, 2009 3:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon:November 23, 2009 1:22 PM
"There is a criminal element out there .."
Yes, and sadly it belongs to the leaders , movers and shakers of the Republican/Conservative Party..That is the main reason they were booted out in the elections of 2006 and 2008. Rove and his strategies caught up with them.
The eliminating of Unions which Regan started is what has led to the downfall of the middle class. It was Union workers who built the bridges and everything else in this Country. Now the working man cannot make a living wage to buy the products the Companies that moved their head quarters Overseas make-Overseas. For all of that you can thank Republicans destroying Unions. God forbid a working person should make a decent wage....and health care for his family?? Not on the Republicans watch.

 
At November 23, 2009 10:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

OMG! Someone should immediately send this to Nate Barker, the Gouverneur Times' "johnny-on-the-spot" editor.

Thank you F.G.E. for your courage!

I just knew Doug was being manipulated by those men!

I hope your relative at Blackwater doesn't send you to GITMO.

Love, Lurleen (not my real name, Earl would kill me)

He knows I think your handsome.

 
At November 24, 2009 9:33 AM , Anonymous Bret4207 said...

This is the first I've heard of anyone seriously thinking the election was "stolen" from McCain. That's ridiculous. Yeah, there were problems with ACORN and others coming up with false registrations and voter intimidation, but Obama won. So did Bush and so did Clinton. Whats done is done. If there is a fear it's that we'll return to Chicago voting in the 20's and 30's or Tammany Hall in the 1860's. Al Franken is perfect example of that- if a Republican had suddenly showed up with boxes of "misplaced" ballots would he be granted the same credibility? I don;t think so.

Open and honest elections are important. If my guy wins that's great, if not then we have to do better next time. Simple as that.

Someone mentioned the "popular vote". Folks, the Electoral College is a good thing. If it weren't for that then national elections would be determined by our 7 largest cities and all the rest of us might just as well stay home. Don;t mess with something that works. THe only change I would want is for each state to cast their EC votes by percentage each candidate receives. Much more accurate IMO.

 
At November 24, 2009 7:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"....each state to cast their EC votes by percentage each candidate receives...."

Would you not then end up with something closer to doing away with the EC? Then let each mans vote count as one, regardless of where they live..Each State getting two Senators regardless of the number of people that live there was the compromise to see that all the people are represented. Wyoming has as much power in the Senate as California or New York....Right or wrong..

 
At November 25, 2009 5:53 PM , Anonymous Bret4207 said...

I believe Maine and New Hampshire do it that way now. It just seems odd to me that if a State has, say, 10 EC votes and 40% of the State goes for Candidate A and 50% go for B and the rest is split up...why does "B" get all the EC votes? It's a State decision, not a Federal decision.

It's just something that I've wondered about for some time.

 
At November 25, 2009 8:27 PM , Anonymous fjthies said...

"Why do conservative fear stolen elections"

Because, it is just like the husband who is cheating on his wife...he realizes that he's been so successful at it that he then accuses his wife of cheating on him!

Rationalizing, "if I've been able to get away with it, she is most likely also cheating on me."

I thinks it's called "projecting"

 
At November 27, 2009 10:56 AM , Anonymous Bret4207 said...

And Democrats don't fear stolen elections? Right. That's why te libs still froth at the mouth over Gores loss.

You can do better thaqn that.

 
At November 27, 2009 12:41 PM , Anonymous fjthies said...

Democrats do not fear stolen elections.

Democrats, in 2000 and in 2004, have had to live with two stolen Presidential elections, engineered by Karl Rove and the RepCons.

The Rep/Cons fear that their techniques may be copied by the Dems.

Just my opinion.

 
At November 27, 2009 2:22 PM , Anonymous Bret4207 said...

Hahahahhahahahahah!!!! Stop it, you're killing me!!!! Yeah, right, I get it now- any election the Dems win if fair and pure, any they lose is stolen. GOt it, thanks.

 
At November 27, 2009 4:04 PM , Anonymous frank gaffney's eyebrow said...

Bret4207 said...
"Hahahahhahahahahah!!!! Stop it, you're killing me!!!! Yeah, right, I get it now- any election the Dems win if fair and pure, any they lose is stolen. GOt it, thanks.

November 27, 2009 2:22 PM"


+++ +++ +++ +++

Bret4207, F.G.E. here.

Please, sir - it is difficult to establish when you are being facetious and when you are attempting to be serious.

Tell that fjthies, straight up, that he is full of DOlbermann Dookie!

For goodness sake, please DON'T EVER make it look like you agree with him, even in jest.

IMO, fjthies cannot distinguish the use subtle humor from gravitas filled facts.

Sinc.

F.G.E.

We are reading.

 

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