Scozzafava's last laugh?
The In Box (and my email box) have been crammed with accusations against Republican Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava. Conservatives were infuriated by her decision back Bill Owens. She also campaigned for the Democrat.
Her pivot might have made a big difference in beating Doug Hoffman, thought that's not clear yet. Regardless, I think a couple of points are worth making here.
1. The Hoffman campaign attacked Scozzafava relentlessly for being too liberal. They cheerfully knocked her out of the race. But then Hoffman's team seemed unprepared for the possibility that she might actually have some bite left in her. And indeed, developments proved that most moderate Republicans (George Pataki, Rudy Giuliani) were perfectly happy following the Conservative Party's lead without a fight. But in politics when you attack someone you can't be shocked! shocked! when hey attack you back.None of this is to say that Hoffman supporters can't be or shouldn't be angry. Politics is a bruising, full contact sport -- the stakes and emotions are high.
2. From what the Assemblywoman told me, she thinks Doug Hoffman's brand of conservatism is bad for the North Country and bad for the GOP. (She used the words "hateful" and "divisive" in our conversation.) This is a view held by a a percentage of moderate Republicans in the 23rd district. Conservatives were quite comfortable blocking Scozzafva from being the next congresswoman for ideological reasons. It seems only fair enough that she should get to use the same calculus in blocking Hoffman.
3. It's true that Scozzafava angered many Republicans by endorsing Democrat Bill Owens. But this happened long after most of her party had abandoned her. Even moderate GOP officials completely out of tune with Doug Hoffman's approach to politics stayed on the sidelines while her so campaign was shredded. Did she still owe the GOP her silence? When you watch the video of Pataki throwing her under the bus at the Conservative Party dinner, it's hard to see a whole lot of Reagan's 11th Commandment being modeled there.
4. Even if Scozzafava did turn on her party, the same can be said for Hoffman. For ideological reasons, he went back on his early assurance that he would support Scozzafava, after county officials rejected him for the nomination. Fair enough. But again, if Doug Hoffman gets to pivot and turn against his party for ideological reasons, then surely Scozzafava gets the same wiggle room. Right?
But one faction doesn't have a corner on the market for those emotions.
Listen for Jonathan Brown's fascinating interview with Scozzafava tomorrow morning during the 8 O'clock Hour.
Labels: election09
posted by Brian Mann @ 11/04/2009 04:27:00 PM
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35 Comments:
This isn't just about Dede, this is about a lot of other moderate Republicans who felt they were being attacked too. While the Repubblican party has not be the party of fiscal responsibility, I have this vision that the mainstream of the MODERATE Republican Party, fiscally conservative and socially progressive creating a governing coalition for decades to come that might actually address some of our problems. It is being held back by a very narrow coalition, obsessed by ideology and social issues best left to individuals. There are a lot people doing a lot of soul searching right now about what to do. It could make a difference whether this purple district turns blue or not. Dede didn't run a great campaign, but I am very thankful she is my Assemblywoman. I may not always agree with her, but she is a good and decent person.
Scozzafava was never a moderate Republican, she's a liberal but that's beside the point. Hoffman on the other hand was a total unknown coming in at 20% and in thirty days pulls out 45% of the vote even with his own party attacking him. That's amazing. And that was after Scozzafava became a traitor to her own party. Hoffman did great.
It is important to remember that Hoffman betrayed both his party and Dede over the summer by bolting the Republican Party to run as Conservative. He doesn't get a pass on that. Character counts, and he lacks it.
It amazes me that people don't see this for what it is. The Republican party is a ghost of it's former self- no longer the party of Lincoln, no longer assured of the black vote (FDR learned how to buy that with taxpayer dollars and the Republicans took to it like a duck to water), no longer the party of fiscal restraint and small, efficient Gov't, no longer the party that doesn't get us into wars, no longer the party of common sense. Now the party is Democrat-lite, JFK would be a hard right Republican today. There is a war in the party and this was part of the wake up call that business as usual isn't gonna cut it anymore.
While there's little I can do to convince people otherwise, the conservative movement isn't about hate or divisiveness or bigotry or fear anymore than the civil rights movement was about black men getting to white women! The same hysteria I hear has been repeated verbatim since Jimmy Carter was running for office!
Responsibility. Honesty. Integrity. Fiscal restraint and efficient use of taxpayer dollars. An end to special interest pork and influence. An end to a declining standard of living. An end to punishing the producers. An end to career politicians screwing the system up. A reaffirmation of the Bill of Rights. Hope for a better life for our children. Being able to know that your values will be respected by law even if they are "traditional". Those are some of the things it's about. Open your eyes and ears folks. We're not just fed up with Democrats, we're fed up with both sides.
Doug Hoffman would have been a blip in the radar if it weren't for the far right big money that came in to back him in the final stretch. We shouldn't underestimate the influence of groups like the Club for Growth. They completely misjudged the political reality of this area, but the shocking thing is how close they came to buying our political representation. The NY Daily News quoted a Hoffman supporter from VA yesterday: "We were a lost ball in the high grass until the Club for Growth came along....We didn't even do a full oppo on Dede. We didn't have the money."
Amy -Hopefully this guy is just a flash in the pan, or at the very least runs in his own district next time.
Amy- give me a break! Are you seriously implying that Owens had no big money, outside the District support? That's sheer hypocrisy.You did notice all the big name Democrat politicians in the area, right? You are aware Joe "Loose Lips" Biden isn't from Gouverneur or Massena, right?
You libs better look in the mirror when you're pointing the finger of blame because your candidate is just as guilty as anyone else.
Bret - I'd really like to believe there is room for broader civil discussion. Visits to other sites recently are full of untruths and ignorance about our region. Worse than that is the venom, hate, that is common. They are not helping your cause.
On November 4 at 9:04 PM, Bret4207 said... “While there's little I can do to convince people otherwise, the conservative movement isn't about hate or divisiveness or bigotry or fear . . . .”
Barely 30 minutes later, at 9:36 PM, Bret4207 declares that Obama’s “staff/advisors are made up of criminals, terrorists, Marxist/Socialist radicals and SEIU thugs.”
Not about hate or divisiveness or bigotry or fear?
Youbetcha!
Am I wrong about any of it Mark? No, I think I called it pretty accurately. The request was for opinion, I gave mine. That's not hate, bigotry, or fear and it's only divisive in the sense that you look at his performance from another point of view. Grasping at one post and trying to twist an opinion into a representation of an entire movement is lame.
Do you disagree with any of ideals I put forth? Would honest politicians bother you? Would some fiscal restraint hurt our economy? I'm just one guy putting forth some ideas and I'm not perfect and I'm not a professional politician couching every statement I make in politically correct terms.
Get beyond the sound bites bud.
I feel that Dede can be included in our local version of "Profiles in Courage", something my Dad encouraged me to read a long time ago when he was in local politics. I feel also that when Dede listened to people when they voiced opinions about social issues of concern, she regarded us as constituents. She didn't ask our party affiliation. That is a public servant. We are proud to have her. Mike C.
Bret, you are clearly passionate about your political opinions. For that I give you credit. Of course, you are free to give them. However, it is nonsense to suggest that an opinion, because it is an opinion, is not capable of expressing “hate, bigotry, or fear.”
On topic after topic on this forum, you have unequivocally established your credentials as a soldier in the conservative movement. You defend that movement on the one hand as being a reasoned, intellectually sound, and principled enterprise, and then you assault us with harangues about the “criminals, terrorists, Marxist/Socialist radicals and SEIU thugs” inhabiting your perceived liberal opposition.
You ask if I think you are wrong. Of course I think you are wrong. I don’t think you are wrong about your principles, but about the ease with which you shift from reasoned argument one moment to rancor the next, the ease with which you dismiss or demonize others with whom you disagree.
And, please, don’t hide behind the “I’m just one guy . . . ” victimhood whenever someone finds fault with your position. You’re smarter than that, bud.
How many seats in Congress were up for election this year? The national coverage only followed the 23rd and two govenor races in New Jersey and Virginia along with a Mayor's race in Atlanta.
Dede, Bill and Doug all got caught up in it...as did the voters in the 23rd.
Next year is more important than is one year. Owen will not be able to make a mark in Washington during a year of re-election by most of the house. So he should fail for re-election.
Dede did get screwed by the party but rightfully so...she is more of a democrat than Owens and her voting record backs this up.
I do not feel that Hoffman is our answer. We need someone with broader ideas and beliefs, Someone between Dede and Doug. The Republican Party has its work cut out for it next year.
If Dede would have stayed neutral during all of this, she may have survived. She proved to me that she is not only a "democrat in hiding" but one who can not stand the heat in the kitchen.
Time to move to Florida, Dede.
Hoffman supporters have no complaints. None. You cannot play the game they played and not expect the other guy to just roll over and play dead for you. so please, stop the whining and blaming Dede. You owed her nothing because she was not part of your group. Fine, and you were no part of hers. She had no duty to play tag team with you vs. Owens.
As far as the Conservatives coming off as an angry, mean mob? Well, the staged events like those today in D.C. and exploited for ratings on radio shows like Hannity are what they are. You are who we thought you were. You cannot run around carrying hand guns to political events, daring anyone to take it from you, and not leave most reasonable people thinking you are a legitimate party.
Once again, if you are going to play the game that way, then stop complaining when others see you as just another " Hate " group. That is why they call it the BASE.
You will be known by what you do, not what you say. All the handed down, scripted , buzz words and talking points have lost their appeal. Now it is about character .
The Hoffman campaign tried to throw " Red Meat " the proverbial " Red Herring " into the debate to win a contest and the people did not fall for it.
This Congress is NOT voting on abortion. This Congress is NOT voting on same sex marriage. They are NOT issues to this electoral debate.
What it will vote on is Health Care. Perhaps if the Hoffman brain trust had stuck to that relevant issue, it might have won. Conservatives do not want to reform Health Care, they are happy to leave it just the way it is. They have never seen that as important.
Dede thinks we need to reform Health Care, that it is not working and hurting business and families.
That would have been honest presentation of the differences that matter.
Sorry Mark, I just don't see it the way you do. There's a double standard in your perception, I suppose there is in mine too. I know how I feel even if I'm not good at articulating it. I also know what the core conservatives I deal with are after and hate, bigotry and fear have nothing to do with it.
You used something out of context and twisted it a bit to fit your purpose, a very political move. Bravo! I pray I'm never as skilled at that as you.
I've had the misfortune of knowing many Conservative "Brets" over these past 20+ post Reagan years. Most have been bigoted, racist, misogynistic,chicken-hearted chickenhawks parading around as just plain ol' patriotic folk. Bret's analysis of why Repugnantcans lost the black vote is very telling. Why did they lose the black vote? Well, according to the totally non-biased opinion of Bret, it is because Democrats bought off black voters with handouts of government largess (money). According to Bret and his ilk, this money that was provided to the government came from unfair taxes on hard-working, god-fearing,right thinking white people. You see folks, nothing racist here. Just plain ordinary facts being presented by Bret, facts that you can easily get from Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Mike Savage, or a whole host of other overly paid, narrow-minded, lying-out-their-mouths, hate mongers. So folks, please don't pick on poor Bret, he's really is trying to be reasonable. It's just that the reasoning behind his attempt at being reasonable is not reasoning at all. Let's call it, going with his gut.
AntiBret: Dial it back a notch, man. Mutually-assured fulmination is not the answer.
It certainly is true that fulminations can lead to even greater fulminations. My post is a perfect example of this in action and was submitted to demonstrate just that point. Why just the other day in D.C., 8,000 teapartiers and anti-government folks staged a demonstration that was full of fulminating fulminators tossing around words like treason, traitor, commie, nazi, followed with not so veiled threats of violence. Perhaps some folks will call my posting fighting fire with fire. I know others will call it ignorance on my part. It would appear that I'm sinking to the level of those who started down this road of casting nasty aspersions on political opponents. Well, I've sat by for almost 20 years now, ever since Reagan launched his attacks on "welfare queens" and started the destruction of unions. I've listened to the other side derisively put down my political beliefs and my support of them as unpatriotic, heathen, commie and otherwise unbecoming remarks.
So, in order to ensure that it will just be the "other side" that does all of the fulminating, I will henceforth cease my fulminating and keep my future postings as soft and sweet as the murmurs of my tiny little kitten. Let's hope that in the meanwhile, the other side doesn't attempt to drown all of our little kittens in their deep dark wells of despotism.
Meow?
The south turned Red in 1964 when LBJ and the Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act. The Dixiecrats of strom and the bunch.
LBJ, a southerner, said it meant his party had lost the south for generations. I was there. Including his home state of Texas. He was right. That is why " Blacks" tend to vote Democratic.
The conservative Party is 90+% White in a country that is 55% white. Neither right nor wrong, just is. That is a short and long term problem for the movement
That is the straight up truth.
Both the Civil Rights Act (1964)and the Voting Rights Act(1965) were catalysts for the Democratic Party losing the support of the American South and a sizeable number of northern whites. In the early '70s, I was a young Marine stationed in the deep South. It was painfully obvious to a me (a white, Buffalo area boy)just how much of a struggle it was for Black folks. And this was several years after the aforementioned Acts had been made the law of the land!
"Damned federal govamint interfering with our States rights" was often heard. "Save the South, buy a Yankee a bus ticket home" was a favorite bumper sticker along of course, with Confederate battle flags.
It was no coincidence that with Barry Goldwater in 1964, the modern day Conservative movement was born. And all one has to do is observe the attendance of teapartiers at teaparties, and those otherwise labeling themselves Conservative to see that 99% of them are people of color- white is also a "color".
Not saying that all good people identifying themselves as Conservative are motivated out of racism. But could there be some who are truly fearful? Fearful of change? Fearful of others? Fearful of progress? The loss of privilege?
Some of you folks need to study history at little more. The party of Lincoln, The Republicans, had the black vote till the '30's, such as it was. I don't see how anyone can argue that. That's not racism, that's fact. The vote turned to the Democrats after FDR's New Deal started handing out money, taxpayer money, to the "poor" in a successful move to gain those peoples votes. Again, not racist, not hateful, just factual. The near complete turn of minority votes to the Democrats came after LBJ's "Great Society" movement in the 60's. Again, nothing racial about that, it's fact. It's information found found in text books and websites and Gov't studies. I never realized the Republicans EVER had the black vote till I read FDR's own words regarding his plans to secure that voter block along with "poor whites" as he called them. The money DID come from hard working people, you do realize Gov't has no money of it's own, right? And the Republicans are just as guilty.
I'm glad you mentioned the rally Thursday against the Health Care proposal. I'm sure some people did mention words like "treason, traitor, commie, nazi, followed with not so veiled threats of violence." Tell me Anti-me, why is it wrong for those people to do that but right for left wingers to use the same terms and threats against a right wing administration? I'm still waiting for someone to justify the books and movie about assassinating Bush, the protests and actual violence against the previous administration and it's supporters, the protests and violence used against the Tea Party rallys by SEIU members, the voter intimidation by ACORN and the Black Panthers, things like that.
You can go pet your kitty if you want or you can try to show me where I'm wrong. You're among friends here, I'm not, so you have the advantage. Convince me. Explain why one side is right in using tactics that makes the other side wrong.
"...The conservative Party is 90+% White in a country that is 55% white. Neither right nor wrong, just is. That is a short and long term problem for the movement
November 6, 2009 10:20 AM"
Hey, it takes time to get people to understand the status quo isn't working and that there are choices other than socialism. Give us time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Well, Bret, there you go again.
I majored in Political Science, taking many classes, reading many books. I have never read anything as cynical about FDR and his motivations during the Great Depression, as what you have to say here. However,I have heard the comedian, Rush Limbaugh, repeat this false history many times on his show. He is noted for saying "FDR is dead and soon his programs will be also."
You say that FDR bought off Blacks and poor people (are they mutually exclusive?)to gain their votes? By the way, are these the same people you have previously refered to as "having their hands out, taking and taking without giving anything back?" Nothing racist there?
So the Conservative answer to that is to stop these so-called handouts and then...what? The Blacks and poor will vote Conservative? They would dare to vote into office the very crowd that wants to disenfranchise them of the vote once again? The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act come up before Congress for renewal from time to time. Heaven help us all if a Conservative majority will ever be counted upon to renew them.
On the issue of rallies and protests. I was actively involved in the pro-peace movement opposing the invasion of Iraq since Oct. 2002. I planned, coordinated and took part in many vigils, speeches and rallies. People were not advocating murdering Pres. Bush. They did call him a "war criminal", and he is (Pope John Paul II to Bush, Feb. 2003 "Invading Iraq without UN sanction will be immoral, illegal and unjust").
They called Cheney a traitor for outing CIA agent Valerie Plame, and Cheney is. He is also a war criminal.
At the larger peace demonstrations, there would be small groups of very militant, pro-war, pro-Bush folks threatening violence and at one march, throwing horse manure at the pro-peace marchers.
And god knows, I am still out there, holding signs urging Pres. Obama to bring our troops home and to not commit the very war crimes that Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld, et al, will some day, stand trial for.
When the time comes (and it may already be here) I will also label Pres. Obama a war criminal. However,urging impeachment and trial of our leaders is a far cry from carrying firearms to rallies threatening to assasinate our duly elected leaders.
BTW, Bret, so you won't think you are being ganged up on, I admit that I previously posted as AntiBret. Maybe you could do an anti-frank? LOL
All i know is the repulican party should have the last laugh when the rino is not offered a spot in the republican party, i'm sure that the democrats who are soooo grateful for her turning on her party to give her a spot, personally i would not vote for her for anything , she does not do what her constituents would want so why let her back in. I hope Mr Hoffman does run in 2010 i would vote for him over her anyday. Lets hope the party decides that they no longer want her plenty of us that would vote have already come to that conclusion.
Ha,ha,ha,ho,ho,ho,hee,hee. RS is so very funny if he believes that the Con-servative Party will be the party of choice in the future. Will they elect a president in 2012? I've been a lifelong Buffalo Bills fan. As a kid I had the ample opportunities once a week to meet Jack Kemp, Orenthal James Simpson, Cookie Gilchrist, and many other Bill's players. Every Wednesday eve,they were interviewed at the radio station where my dad had a part time job. While it is my sincere WISH that Bills will be going to the Superbowl this year or next, or the year after, I must face reality.
Can Conservatives do the same - face the reality that they will never, ever become a majority in this nation. Or will they continue boasting and shouting like professional "wrastlers" do on TV. In my opinion the wrastlers seem more plausible and believable.
Frank, I wish we had a different format here so I could more easily address your last post.
No, until very recently all the books on Wilson, FDR, etc were full of glowing praise. The first few books I read were in line with those thoughts. Try "The Forgotten Man". Quite a different view of FDR and the whole first part of the 20th Century actually. When you do some checking you find the book has things pegged. And Wilson, that man was just evil!
Please don't try to paint me as a racist. I'm not. I may call things differently than you do, but I admire anyone of any race who can bring themselves up in the world. Condie Rice is 10 times the story Oprah is, but where does the praise go? Politics have put her down as a second class success story.
I would phrase things a little differently than you do. If I had my way we wouldn't need to "stop the handouts" because I'd have people working at a wage that was decent due to minimal taxes which would ripple out through the economy. Since I don't have any magical powers common sense tells me a gradual weaning over a couple decades would be a more reasonable goal to shoot for. Again, some here seem to paint me as some rich guy who wants nothing more than to see children starving in the street. No, I just see a lot of waste and dirty politics (on both sides) convincing people to follow a path that actually hurts them. It makes no sense to me.
No one I know of in the conservative movement is anti civil rights or voting rights. What has been discussed is WHY the Founders and States originally limited voting rights to land owners. I kind of doubt people today would see that as fair, but it is interesting that we were warned that we'd get just what we have today if suffrage was extended to those who can vote themselves money while not having to pay into the system. That doesn't equate to taking the vote from anyone.
The wars? Sorry, I spent months at Ground Zero. I believe in preventing that from ever happening again. If you disagree that's fine with me. I understand it. But your view of things is different from mine, and I think you're wrong about a few things.
I hope you weren't one of the low life types that seemed to delight in making a funeral for a serviceman into a protest event. I would support your right to protest, but I feel there is a time and place. Having been on the receiving end at some protests and riots I'm sure it was unpleasant. So is having an SEIU thug beat a black man at a peaceful Tea Party. Funny how that never got much coverage. Politics again. And wearing a gun is form of political speech, just like burning a flag or hanging Bush in effigy. No one I'm aware of threatened any officials. If you have hard facts to back that claim up please pass it on to me so that I can pass it on to those in the movement who strive to prevent just such things from happening. We're in favor of being able to exercise our 2nd Ammend. rights, not losing them through idiotic moves.
The movie advocating the assassination of Bush and the two books doing likewise have been mentioned before. I can get the titles again if you wish- one was called "The Death of an American President".
I'm not Anti-Frank, I'm pro freedom, we just perceive things differently. Thanks for taking the time to discuss things.
Bret, so many things to address. Its' typical shot-gun style debate. Throw up a lot of clay pigeons and try to hit them all before they shatter on the ground. This isn't about us. You seem like an otherwise nice gentleman and I am sure that all of your friends, relatives and acquaintances can vouch that you do not use the "N" word to describe black folks. However, those you claim as compadres in the Conservative (hey, call yourselves the Tea Party Party) party have made themselves quite clear on this matter.
As for the ancient history of FDR, I know that Ann Coulter, and several others with axes to grind, have published tomes with all kinds of psycho talk that is taken as gospel by those predispositioned to believe it. Again pro wrastlers have more veracity.
Brother, you want proof of the loonytoons acting out? If you can stomach it, watch a rerun of tonights "Ed Show" from MSNBC. You can get to it on the internet. They show footage from that recent event in DC with indisputable facts presented of what the vast majority of people brought there, who said what and under what circumstances. These "patriots", such as Rep. Boehner read from the preamble to the Declaration of Independence and said, it was from the U.S. Consitution. Another Congressman led the pledge of allegiance and blew the wording. Listen closely to the speeches of amred insurrection given there.
I have no idea about union thugs intimidating a black Tea Partier?!? One would think FOX would have jumped all over that one. This alleged black man would still be on FOX, along with Joe the Plumber.
Now please don't slander the pro-peace movement by hoping I was not "one of those low lifes" protesting at GI funerals. You do realize that there has never, ever been an anti-war protest at any GI funerals by members of the pro-peace movement? Really. It's absolutely true.
Unlike the Vietnam era, the modern peace movement was based on the philosphy of "Honor The Warrior, Not The War." Many Iraq and Aghgan veterans have joined the pro-peace movement. I'm a veteran of 22 years military service (you were in the Army while visiting ground zero?. Myself and other former Marines, now members of Veteran's For Peace, did peacefully and respectfully, attend the funeral of Marine Corporal Hank Bogrette, of Gouverneur. We went as vets, not protesters.
Bret now read this clearly and then look it up for yourself - Rev. Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church from Kansas are an extreme right wing conservative congregation. They travel to GI funerals around the nation, hoping to disrupt these events, yelling loudly that America's dead troops are God's punishment because America tolerates the abomination of HOMOSEXUALITY!!! Can you read that?
BTW, I earlier said 8,000 were in DC. That is what FOX reported. It was half that number. Go figure
Sorry to all for the length of this post. As I said, there is so much to set straight. And even this cannot begin to address the bovine scatology constantly being flung. Meow.
Here's one of the incidents, there were others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtHAFEFotYM
I was a Marine too. I worked the 9/11 site in another status working for NYS.
Gotta go, family emerg
Bret, semper fidelis, from a fellow Marine. I went to the site you listed. Of course, I was not surprised that it was FOX news.
I have an alternative site that looks at this matter and the facts in a different light.
Would you do me the courtesy of going to http://mediamatters.org/blog/200908080004 and reading the material posted there?
Sorry about the family emergency. Hope all is well.
Also, perhaps you'll have time later to address being enlightened today as to who is actually doing the vile protesting at GI funerals?
Well Frank, I had a nice post that had links to several other videos of SEIU disrupting meetings, protests, etc, and getting violent too. Apparently it didn't post.
Short version- I didn't know it was just one group protesting at funerals, I got the impression it was more than one but I'm not going through 10K pages of Google hits to find it. I also wasn't "hoping" you were one of that kind. Don't put words in my mouth.
Media Matters is a liberal lobbying organization started by Hillary IIRC and funded by George Soros. Do you really think that makes then unbiased? Please, use your head. Spin isn't limited to the right wing.
If you really want me to I can provide you with alternative reports of the SEIU beatings
from other than Fox, that's just the first that comes up.
This format stinks for addressing specific issues.
Semper Fi
I can't help wonder if Dede is reading this blog and indeed is having the "last laugh." And a really good deep belly laugh too. Not like the aaaaahaaaahaaaahaa bleating laugh of "Ws", often imitated by Jon Stewart on The Daily Show.
No, I'm sure Dede would have that hearty, north country belly laugh that I've heard these past 13 years living here.
After that, she just may end up crying to what has become of her once seemingly unbeatable, unstoppable party. Remember when Rove was boasting as to the longevity of the conservative movement and the Republican party?
As I've said before, I'm waiting for the true believers - those steely eyed, self-made, real Americans, who go to tea parties - to start labeling "W" as a member of the "Compassionate Conservative Party." Therefore allowing the one, true Conservative Party to distance themselves from Dubya's failed presidency and policies.
Happy days are here again - Owen's the reason to cheer my friends - happy days are here again!
Why are conservatives mad at her? They wanted her out and she got out. One less Rino. They should be happy. Their wish came true.
I think DEDE's last laugh was talking $750,000.00 in campaign funds from the NRC and then supporting Owens at the last minute.
The 23rd was lucky not to get her to represent us.
Now hte NRC has to gain my trust to get me back.
What a joke!
Anon 9'40- Don't trust the RNC or mainstream Repubs. I don;t blame you. Find the party that best supports your interests, even if it some 3rd party no one ever heard of. Better to stand by your values than to continue to vote against them.
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