How will North Country Dems vote on health care?
Freshly-sworn-in Rep. Bill Owens is a firm Yes on the health care reform package in the House.
Rep. Mike Arcuri, whose district includes the area around Old Forge, and Rep. Scott Murphy from Glens Falls still haven't signed on.
From the NY Observer:
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer has said "we're very close" to getting the 218 votes needed to pass the bill. Several other upstate Democrats in the House--Dan Maffei, Mike Arcuri and Scott Murphy--are undecided on the bill.In a vote this close, the North Country seats that Dems have picked up since 2006 (Arcuri, Murphy, Owens) could make a difference.
Labels: election09, healthcare
posted by Brian Mann @ 11/06/2009 02:24:00 PM
22 Comments
22 Comments:
I am so sick to my stomach at the way Democrats are grandstanding and shoving this down our throats with out trying any common sense approaches.
Why aren't all state mandates repealed on health insurance companies to open up the market accross state lines so that you don't have 3 companies as the only choices when there are 1300 companies in the country? This would drop premiums just because of the competition that Dems say they are trying to create.
Why isn't tort reform being proposed? This would save billions per year. Oops, the trial lawyers bank roll the Dems campaigns, so we can't go there right?
Why are there options to carry just catasrophic coverage? A 20 year old male doesn't need coverage for mamograms and gynecological services. Make more of a menu of options.
How is fining someone $750 for not having coverage going to solve the costs issue. That's less than my family premiums and with every company being forced to take my preexisting condition, I'll get coverage when I get sick. Which leads to...
How are insurance companies not going to jack up premiums on their customers when they know the will be forced to cover every person with cancer that comes knocking on the door for coverage. These people will have not paid a dime in and will recieve thousands of dollars in coverage. The risk will be passed onto those with insurance already.
How can our Constitution be 68 pages(?) that addresses all of our rights and limits of government, but we need a health care bill that is 1990 pages?
Why isn't Congress the first in line to join the public option if it's so great for you and me?
Sorry side note, Why hasn't Obama's daughters received their swine flu shots, yet, if it's so important and safe for all fo us to get it. Wouldn't you think the first family would be first in line?
The House is now saying this will cost $1.2 trillion, but as with everything that's government run, I guarantee this will cost more like $5 trillion. (Yeah! More debt for my future generations!) How much will this cost after the first ten years?
This whole process is nothing more than a power grab and spreading our wealth. Taxes will be raised on the middle class and rich to give free insurance to the poor and illegal immigrants and to pay for abortions, etc. Add the cuts to Medicare and Medicaid and we're in for a great future! Thanks, Democrats/Socialists!
If it's such a great bill, why is the vote going to get delayed due to lack of support when the Democrats hold a super majority in the house?
Any one who doesn't admit that there are options that don't involve the government soon owning a health insurance company should be put on the street in the next election.
Anon #1: When the second item on your list is tort reform you expose yourself as having drank the Kool-Aid. Any reasonable assessment of the facts shows pretty clearly that tort reform would barely register a drop in the bucket in terms of reducing health care costs. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant, though. It's much easier to simply pull out the usual garbage.
It's all the democrats fault. We get it. Lucky for us, the Republicans are right there to offer reasonable solutions...oh wait. Maybe you should send these suggestions to Cantor, Boehner, et al.
If Murphy fails to support health care reform, and especially the public option, he'll have trouble differentiating himself from a challenge from an R next year. Murphy needs Ds to ethusiastically back him and we won't in he fails us on health care reform with a public option.
Start with the facts!
Sasha and Malia Obama havebeen vaccinated.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/10/620000545/1?csp=34
How many Congressmen have read the bill? How many of them will be forced to participate like us? How much power will this put in the hands of the government and how much choice will we be loosing? Will there be mandated limits? There are a lot of unanswered questions in discussion and no one is offering any answers to we who are concerned.
No one on this site has read the bill, yet everyone has an opinion. Against what they know nothing about. Interesting.
The cost according to the OBM is less than what we are spending to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan. Another interesting fact.
I never thought so many people would be willing to spend so much for other Countries and never say a bad word , but not invest in their own.
Maybe we should wait to see what it says and why the drug companies and Insurance companies have been against it from its inception. Would love to see how much their lobbyists sent to Republican/Conservative Congressmen and Senators. Probably could have funded the whole proposition.
Health Care Reform must be passed to save American businesses and Institutions. The cost of providing health care rises faster than any other facet of a business. If Republicans derail it, then they might as well stick a fork in growing America.
I have not seen commercials or editorials from business groups ranting against it. They know the private providers hold a knife to their throats.
It is time for Democrats to once again stand up and lead, just as they did with civil rights and saving Democracy in 1933. 5o Senators and the Vice Presidents tie breaker is all it takes. Do it.
Republican and Conservatives will blame all our problems in 2010 and 2012 on the Democrats regardless. They give no credit for Obama stopping bank failures or returning the stock market to the 10,000 mark and saving peoples 401Ks and retirement programs. They will never give any credit for anything. They only want power. So pass it , push it through and let then howl. They will howl no matter what, it is what they do.
They ran the country in to the ground for eight years. they had their chance and blew it. they will again the next time they get their chance. Pass the Bill and move on to the next problem.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3200
Go ahead and read it. I've heard a few news people that have read it and they pointed out a bunch of bad things.
Obama stopped bank failures? Sure he did. Here's a list you might want to look at, the dozens or maybe hundreds of banks that failed this year.
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html
Owens has a mandate to vote yes for the health care Bill. That is why we voted to send him. Everyone knew that when they voted. Hoffman was a no, Owens was a yes. It is how the wishes of the people of a District are heard in the Federal Government.
If we wanted a no vote, we would have sent the other guy.
Anon: 7:49 ..http://www.newsweek.com/id/195079..... Read and learn, with an open mind. Newsweek is hardly a liberal palace. Quite the contrary.
"What Obama has been able to accomplish in his first 100 days is enough to make any president envious."
"he has put forward a series of initiatives to stabilize the capital and housing markets, proposed longer-term programs to create sustained growth, adjusted America's military priorities in Afghanistan and Iraq, and begun a process of reaching out to the world and changing America's image. These are only overtures, and naturally much will depend on how things turn out—in the economy, in Pakistan, in Iraq. But so far, any president would be envious of Obama's accomplishments."
Hate is easy, start joining the solution and give credit where it is due.
Actually, Dede was on the record as opposing health care reform too. All those conservatives and "loyal" Republicans who backed him will have no one to blame but themselves if Bill Owen turns out to be the 218th vote in the House. Wouldn't that be ironic.
November 6, 2009 10:13 PM
You are assuming they voted for Owens. There is nothing to back that claim up. Owens was ahead of Dede when she dropped out. It could very well be the reason any of her followers that may have voted for Owens want a health care bill passed. The 23rd did vote for Hillary Clinton , remember. The majority of people living here may have a different view point than you and are very happy that Owens is voting the way he does. Isn't that ironic as well.
anon 8:11,
"mandate","mandate" The %'s do not represent a "mandate." I agree Owens should vote for health care reform, however let's not prtend it was a mandate.
Anon 8:18- the facts speak for themselves. Banks continue to fail, unemployment is rising. Spin it all you want, but Obama is a disaster.
Anon 8:18
Newsweek states the facts very well. Spin the hate all you want, but I would think you would wish well for your President and Commander in Chief. All real Americans do. His successes are our successes.
And you did the same for Bush, Bush and Reagan? You'd have done the same if McCain had won and died in a month and Palin was Prez? I think not.
This topic was introduced by Brian on the 6th. It is now 9:00 p.m. on the 7th and I'm watching C-SPANs coverage of the still ongoing debate in the House. Isn't America wonderful? Seriously.
For the 48 million citizens with heath care - let reform pass tonight.
For the hundreds of millions underinsured, over-premiumed, on the brink of catastrophe and bankruptcy due to medical bills - let reform pass tonight.
To help our business both large and small with ever rising health insurance costs - let reform pass tonight.
For those Americans who are quite comfortable with their private health coverage, are sure of never losing it, and will never be forced to watch helplessly as a loved one is placed into an early grave because pre-existing conditions, well good for them.
Yetwhen they stand up and angrily tell fellow Americans that the same expectations should not apply to their lives...isn't that just selfish and evil?
November 7, 2009 8:47 PM
Absolutely. Why would you root against your own country. I don't remember staged rallies on Sacred Capitol buildings , with Hollywood actors and attention seeking Congressmen calling the President vile names and accusing him of treason selling out America and the Constitution. Just admit that the far right of the Republican Party is out of control and interested only in vitriol.
Bush was his own worst enemy and he surrounded himself with incompetent legions of Boot Lickers . The Right Wing leaders turned out to be pedophiles, closet homosexuals and men lacking moral character. Acts of Treason by the V.P and his foil Libby were considered nothing more than political tactics. Failed Policies Home and Abroad and self made scandals did the Right in.
There is no reason to return the men back to power who failed so miserably before. They still lurk in the wings like Yeat's "Rough Beast, its hour come round at last." The Armeys and Cheneys still lurk like a dark shadow. And that is the heart and sould of the " New" Conservative. The recent election showed that to be true.
America has a short memory, but not that short.
They voted yes. Good. Both Parties agree on 80% of the Bill and everyone agrees something needs to be done. So now I hope the Senate works out the difference.
Ironic that so many of those Red States are Welfare States that get more from the Federal Government than they send, but talk about the deficit. I say pass one Law: you cannot take more than you give. That will be the end of that hollow mantra.
Anon 10:27- Your memory is extremely short. If you'd like I can dig up hundreds of instances of left wing ideologues, politicians, actors, etc vilifying every single thing Bush, Bush and Reagan did. As soon as a Dem gets in office it all disappears. It's fine for Obama to use the patriot Act, but Wrong for Bush. It's good for Obama to to use wiretaps, but wrong for Bush. It's fine for Obama to surround himself with radicals like Ayers, Sunstein, etc. but wrong for Bush to pick his people.
Open your eyes. BOTH sides have real issues. I'm leaning more and more towards a third party for a resolution to the criminals in Washington.
It's passed the House, I only can hope the Senate kills it. There has to be a better answer.
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