Doug Hoffman could win
For thousands of Doug Hoffman supporters, this observation -- that he could emerge victorious -- is roughly akin to saying that the sun could rise tomorrow in the east.
But when this race began back in the summer, the idea of a third-party neophyte upsetting the two big parties at their own game seemed -- improbable.
Then Hoffman's small-government, low tax message mingled with growing anger at the "establishment" Republican Party, which had chosen moderate Dede Scozzafava.
That chemistry mingled again with the tea party-town hall furor of the summer and ignited.
The result? Hundreds of thousands of dollars funneling into the region from national donors and interest groups.
Passionate activism by many locals who believe that Republicans as well as Democrats have "abandoned" them.
Mr. Hoffman's campaign has harnessed that energy efficiently and effectively, wreaking havoc on the campaign of Scozzafava. '
At last night's debate, Scozzafava acknowledged being outspent "15-to-1," but she also acknowledged interest groups' right to contribute money.
In a low-turnout special election -- where voters will be split three-way -- that could very well be enough to spark a victory.
Many observers have been critical of Doug Hoffman's campaign, including the alleged use of "dirty tricks" by his supporters and his decision to avoid most of the public forums and debates.
The Watertown Daily Times, in particular, has criticized Mr. Hoffman for, in their view, being uninformed about many regional issues.
When asked a series of questions about the district last week, Mr. Hoffman drew blanks in several areas. We cannot wait for Mr. Hoffman, who has been co-opted by the right-wing national politicians, to do his homework.What's certain, however, is that Mr. Hoffman is riding a wave of concern among many conservative voters, who worry about the erosion of traditional values and the expansion of government.
There is now a clear path to victory for the third-party Conservative, who on November 4th could emerge as the congressman from New York's 23rd district.
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posted by Brian Mann @ 10/29/2009 08:23:00 AM
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27 Comments:
We're not worried about Hoffman not knowing every fine detail about the Watertown area, et al. He can figure it out when he gets there.
Conservatives back Hoffman because:
1) Pushing Dede to 3rd place helps get the point across to the GOP that they are on the wrong track.
2) Should Hoffman win the entire race, all the better.
3) If Conservatives get either 1 or 2, they score a victory.
Hoffman could be the start of something good across America, a wake up call to the GOP--get back to your base! Good Luck Doug!
If the NY-23 is carved up in reapportionment due to the election of Doug Hoffman that wouldn't be go for the region as a whole.
The choice is clear for me. The Republicans and Democrats have both failed us. I really don't care if this hurts the Republican. She is so far to the left she would be the same as electing the Democrat.
Whatever Hoffman's short-comings may be, at least he understands that big government is not the answer. Big government is the problem. He has a chance to make a real impact not only in this race but to set the stage for third party and conservative candidates in next years mid-term elections across the country.
I am a recovering Republican turned libertarian leaning Independant. I will vote for Doug Hoffman and so will most of my friends and neighbors!
I almost forgot. In response to anonymous. It is my understanding that this district was already scheduled for reapportionment some time ago, long before Doug Hoffman entered the race.
KV - I hope you have as much concern about big biz. We have big govt. because we have big biz. Without big govt. at this time in our history, our lives would be far different--and not for the better.
It is important to remember that our founding fathers were as concerned or more concerned with the East India company as they were King George. In fact, when the country was founded corporations only existed for quasi public purposes such as toll roads and canals. Now these huge entities have the same rights or more rights than a natural person. That is folks like you and me. It would be nice to have smaller government, but it will be hard to do as long as our society is as complex as it is.
Terming Dede a MODERATE says much about the writer's perspective.
The concern about big corporations is a false liberal concern based on Marxism. The free market system takes care of any corporations who try to abuse people (i.e., they go out of business when people buy elsewhere). Government on the other hand, is a real threat as shown by history time and time again from Hitler to the various Communist leaders who have killed millions of people.
By the way, the Founding Fathers were concerned with government gettting too powerful, as evidenced by all the checks and balance and rights in our Constituion. You won't find anything about businesses in there because it was not a concern because the Founding Fathers understood the free market system and basic economics has the checks and balances built-in to take care of any problem, something that no liberal understands.
Whether Hoffman wins or comes in 2nd, the Republican party will know that we are sick and tired of them running these RINO's for office. Scozzafava has a more liberal voting record than a lot of Democrats. How dare she masquerade as a "Republican"?
Go Doug GO!
I left the Republican Party, after more than forty years - because they campaign conservative and govern liberal anyway if they had governed more conservatily we would not have socilist leaning congress now!
Fed up with both parties. Democarts and republicans are cut from the same wool and dye. Hoffman is the only choice. He is not owed by either party. I will vote for him
Fed up with both parties. Democarts and republicans are cut from the same wool and dye. Hoffman is the only choice. He is not owed by either party. I will vote for him
Well if Hoffman wins it will be somewhat of a good thng. It will get all the "social conservatives" out of my Republican Party. Good riddance.
If polls and Doug Hoffman are to be believed, close to 2/3rds of the voters in our district are "liberals." If he wins, it won't be with a majority and his supporters won't realize that they don't have a mandate. There are a lot of Republicans in this district who are part of the party of Lincoln and the abolitionists, and who have fond memories of Nelson B. Rockefeller and Jake Javits. The outsiders from the South funding Hoffman make those memories wistful. Hoffman's approach would have meant no Seaway, no power dam, no Northway and no Olympics. The 1850's .. now those were the good old days.
Let them, and Hoffman, go back to being Dixiecrats.
What are you guys thinking. A vote for Hoffman is a vote for Owens and Nancy Pelose. Remember Perot and Bill Clinton. Were we better off with Billie.Dede will support the Party in congress against Obama's agenda. I sure Hofman will too, but splitting the vote is suicide for Conservative and republicans. Ask only one question. Do you want Bill owen is Congress. Not me, not ever.
Bart Bonner (one of the nine)
As of today It is mathematical impossible to pay off the debt and the deficit. If china calls in their loan it could mean hyper inflation and bankruptcy. Both parties are to blame I am voting for hoffman. If we have no accountable in spending. It will mean the ruin of our nation. Is this the kind of future we want to leave for our children? Have china own them and a slave to goverment debt?
We are about to vote for the person who will represent us, our great big district, in the House of Representatives. I say we look at who is the most informed about what is needed here. Ideology has a place, but it doesn't put jobs, prosperity, or flexibility in tackling our complex problems up front. How will the new representative communicate with the district's constituents? That would be ALL the constituents- whether they voted for you or not. There is something to be said for experience and moderation.
And why can't we have a third or fourth party? What is wrong with a choice? Absent a primary, what is wrong with the people of the 23rd picking a neither of the two but rather the third party candidate, Doug Hoffman? I'm a Democrat that is voting for Doug, not because of any "outside" political insiders, but because before all of the noise, I liked what he had to say more than any of the others. Everything else is just noise and attempted news management, right and left. I thank Doug for standing up and running.
when hoffman wins, the new america begins nov 4
A Hoffman win is good for Democrats. The farther to the right ,and their ideology, the Republican Party goes, the more the middle will turn to the left, which then becomes the new center.
Nothing did more for the Democratic Party than people like Palin and Cheney and Bush.
This is a win win for the Democrats.
A Hoffman win would change nothing on the National level. It may make some angry people feel good, but it will change nothing.
On the local level, it will do harm. It is biting off your nose to spite your face. No matter, the District will be represented by one-third of the people who vote behind them. Whoever it is. And two-thirds will be unhappy. Whoever wins.
Regardless of who wins, this certainly is one entertaining race! One question I've yet to see any of these candidates address - what will they do to reduce acid rain on the Adirondacks?
October 29, 2009 12:19 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
KV - I hope you have as much concern about big biz. We have big govt. because we have big biz. Without big govt. at this time in our history, our lives would be far different--and not for the better.
It is important to remember that our founding fathers were as concerned or more concerned with the East India company as they were King George. In fact, when the country was founded corporations only existed for quasi public purposes such as toll roads and canals. Now these huge entities have the same rights or more rights than a natural person. That is folks like you and me. It would be nice to have smaller government, but it will be hard to do as long as our society is as complex as it is.
October 29, 2009 12:41 PM"
Better read your history friend. They weren't called corporations back then, they were "companies" and were very popular. That's how the early settlers managed to get here, that's how people were able to gain some wealth, by investing in companies, something that was a revolutionary idea in the 1600's.
So stop with the revisionist history. Yes, globalism in any form is dangerous. Global corporations operating outside the law are dangerous. But a corporation operating within the law is a good thing and a
chance to create jobs and a way to grow your money. This Marxist idea that ALL corporations are evil is ridiculous.
Now big gov't, there's a dangerous and evil entity we can agree on.
"a corporation operating within the law is a good thing"
And that is exactly why we need to be careful when writing laws. Allowing Haliburton to open a 500 square foot building of shore, calling it their Head quarters so they can avoid paying taxes to the country they get billions from in no bid contracts after Dick Cheney was their CEO is NOT good for America.
Conservatives need to stop revising the truth and start holding the leaders of their group responsible.
Conservatives do not borrow 1 trillion dollars from China to fight a war of choice-but they did it...;.
Come out of your trances and walk your talk....
Glad you mentioned Haliburton. You do know Clinton gave them a no bid contract in the Balkans, right? So come out of your own trance- it's ALL of them. They all need to go and be replaced with term limited public SERVANTS not more career politicians.
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