Tuesday, September 22, 2009

Racists or ruralists? Elites vs. commoners?

David Brooks, the conservative New York Times pundit, has been dining out recently on a new theory that goes something like this:

The people erupting in fury over President Barack Obama's birth certificate -- or describing him as the Anti-christ, or demanding that "real" Americans take back "their" country -- aren't racist.

No, no. They're just common folks. It's an uprising of "the ordinary people and against the fat cats and the educated class; for the small towns and against the financial centers."

He talks about the conservative media -- Fox, AM talk radio -- as "populist."

Brooks has flirted with this meme for a while now, the idea that there really are sort of two Americas: the earth-rooted, dirt-under-the-fingernails small-town Jeffersonians and the Hamiltonians who stand for "urbanism, industrialism and federal power."

Brooks' argument doesn't wash.

First, the conservative movement as it exists today is deeply tied to financial power, industrialism and its 20th-century incarnation, corporatism.

The idea that Democrats are the party of big government elites while conservatives are a movement of town hall Joes from Main Street is simply daffy.

Second, as Brooks himself occasionally acknowledges, the romantic vision of rural folks as down-home-up-by-the-bootstraps types simply doesn't wash anymore.

Urban Americans, on average, are far more productive, entrepreneurial and well-educated than rural Americans.

They use fewer government services, on average, and pay far more in taxes. (A lot of those taxes are siphoned off and spent in rural communities.)

Rural folks, meanwhile, have problems with drugs, unemployment, and single-parenthood that often resemble those of inner city families.

The final -- and most glaring -- flaw in Brooks' argument is his exclusion of race.

Yes, it's true that in the 1700s the urban-rural divide was more about culture, regionalism and class than skin-color.

But after the Civil War and the great African American migration to the industrial cities, race became one of the key divides between urban and rural.

Even more so now, in the era of Hispanic immigration.

Yet Brooks pretends that the GOP's "Southern strategy" never existed and that we're still having the same old debate, in which skin color and racial tension are afterthoughts.

He tips his hand a bit when he quotes blogger Arnold Kling, who writes, “One could argue that this country is on the verge of a crisis of legitimacy. The progressive elite is starting to dismiss rural white America as illegitimate, and vice versa.”

Note that no one talked of a "crisis of legitimacy" when rural whites were in power -- say, a year ago.

That, despite the fact that small town whites make up only about 20% of the American population.

Yet now that urban blacks (and urban women) have claimed the highest offices in the land, the "Don't Tread On Me" movement has decided that the nation is unraveling.

Suddenly, Washington has lost its way and is no longer listening to true Americans.

I think the truth is a lot simpler.

This wholesale transition in power --symbolized by Barack Obama -- is frightening for millions of whites, rural whites in particular.

We have a political and media culture that hopes to leverage that vitriol, for ratings, for financial support, and for votes.

The danger, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has pointed out, is that all the fear, frustration and Glenn Beckian manipulation could escalate quickly into violence.

The town-hall movement that Brooks acknowledges as "ill-mannered and conspiratorial" could very easily become something far worse.

35 Comments:

At September 22, 2009 7:47 AM , Anonymous hermit thrush said...

excellent post!

 
At September 22, 2009 8:35 AM , Blogger Jim said...

And that's the truth.

 
At September 22, 2009 10:07 AM , Anonymous AGM said...

When Democracy doesn't yield the results that the neo-conservatives desire, then it is time for 'real Americans' to take the country back. Racists are still alive and running rampant while adamently denying that they are being racist. 'If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.'

 
At September 22, 2009 10:39 AM , Blogger Anne said...

Just because folks with a (loud) national voice are picking up an argument for their own ends, does not mean that there hasn't been discontent in rural America. Don't conflate the loudmouths with genuine folk with genuine concerns, who have those concerns under both Democrat and Republican administrations.

 
At September 22, 2009 11:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with your post except, possibly with the assertion that urbanites use fewer gov't services. It really does depend on what you interpret as a gov't service.

 
At September 22, 2009 11:32 AM , Anonymous Cion said...

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At September 22, 2009 11:47 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! David Brooks couldn't be more wrong.

You don't have to look very far here in the North Country to see the low level of education, high usage of gov't services/support, high percentage of gov't employees with respect to those that do work and the minimal tax revenue.

 
At September 22, 2009 12:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a wonderfuo post on the Crunchy Con blog, that I think has relevance to this thread. He talks about how the hippies blocked their message by making their lifestyles and clothing so central to the movement. Not many establishment types could look father. Rod says that's what's happening now- the message is hard to hear, becasue of the trappings of the group that is speaking the message. Worth reading.

 
At September 22, 2009 1:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bryan,
You provide minimal support for your initial assertion that the protesters are racist and then you close with demagoguery. This is not your best post.

Are SOME of the people that are protesting racists? Sure –they’re the ones carrying the placards with grotesque caricatures of the President. What about the others? If you’re suggesting that most or all of the protesters are motivated by racial animus then you need to think again. There are plenty of people that have policy objections with the current president and administration and are present in those crowds you’re afraid of.

What makes you so sure that the protesters are Republicans and conservatives (which you should stop conflating – they’re two different terms – and distinctions are important)? Nearly 40% of the voting public has no party affiliation. Barack Obama was elected by these people and until recently had a 70% approval rating because of them. His job approval has slipped under 50%; where do you think this slippage has come from –the GOP? NO, it’s the independents. Perhaps there’s more variation in the crowds that you’re ignoring – conservatives, Republicans & Democrats happy with their health insurance and Medicare, and independents. So, some of the very people you’re broad-brushing as racist NOW probably voted for him last year (when they weren’t racist).

George Will was right the other day when he said that the liberals’ McCarthyism cries racism when they don’t have facts on their side.

Two corrections: 1) the large in-migration of African Americans to cities took place post WWII. You didn’t mention this but it’s important, much of this migration was due to Jim Crow laws. 2) Urbanites, contrary to what you write, consume more government services. Check your facts. For example, in NYS while NYC pays a greater share in taxes (44%) for 42% of the population, an overwhelming majority (60%+) of Medicaid recipients are from NYC, 72% of non-medical related welfare recipients are also from cities (NYC, Rochester, Syracuse, etc.). The trend is national and not limited to NY. There's more public housing in cities, more mass transit in cities, and the list goes on. By virtue of the fact that people live closer together they are interconnected more than rural communities. As a result there's a concomitant demand for services. (see Robert Pecorella & Jeffery Stonecash’s – Governing NY State)
JPM

 
At September 22, 2009 3:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous @ 1:34,
Brian's right. Urbanites pay out way more tax money per capita than rural Americans, and get back far less per capita in government service dollars, particularly at the federal level. Up here, the highway and ag payouts alone, and again this is per capita, trump any transit spending per capita. People always conveniently forget road subsidies when talking about "real American" bootstraps. I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
By the way, check out this post on the spiritual backbone of the Tea Partiers, which is a lot smarter than Brooks' dimwitted take. It's the "Borderers," stupid:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/21/784599/-Yo,-Pundits!-Heres-Whats-Up-With-the-Republicans

 
At September 22, 2009 3:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe they pay out more in taxes per capita. However, services I'm not certain but they propably receive far more services depending on how you define a service.

 
At September 22, 2009 5:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

By services, I'm defining it in straight dollars per capita. Simplest way, IMHO.
For that matter, if NY State took in as much as it gave out in tax money to the rest of the country, the urban-rural, upstate-downstate fights would be a lot fewer, and less emotional.

 
At September 22, 2009 5:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The $ to rural communities might be slightly higher fluctuating from one year to the next at the federal level but not at the state level, which is where most of the revenue are raised for transit (including roads), health care, social welfare programs, education, and the like. Brian is not right.

If you think the upstate (largely rural)/downstate (urban) divide will disappear with a greater return of state tax dollars from the feds, you should think again. Did it disappear this year with the additional $ from the "stimulus" plan?

 
At September 22, 2009 5:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, if a prison is built in Essex county that employees people from essex county BUT houses inmates almost exclusively from downstate. Who is getting the benefit? People from downstate being protected from a convict or people who are employed in the prison? How is that weighed in to the equation. Sometimes, I would argue often, things are MUCH more complicated tan the pundits make them out to be. That is just one example there are numerous others where services are provided.

 
At September 22, 2009 6:57 PM , Blogger Brian said...

I resent the idea that people living in the Heartland (as Brian Mann would call it) somehow have a monopoly on what it means to be a real American. I think that's an even greater arrogance than the one Brooks complains about.

I'm from a small town and I appreciate SOME small town values, such as safety, known your neighbor and a generally more laid back nature.

But I also appreciate some things about bigger cities, mostly vibrancy and culture.

Both of these contribute the greatness of our nation.

I'm sorry ideologues, but anywhere there are Americans is the real America.

 
At September 22, 2009 6:57 PM , Blogger Brian Mann said...

Lots of good discussion here. Please note that I don't call the protesters racist.

What I do believe is that the shift of political power from a largely rural-white elite to a more multi-ethnic urban elite is traumatic to many small town Americans.

For some this manifests as simple racism. But for many others the experience is far more complex: a sense that they have been marginalized, disrespected, even disenfranchised.

About the allocation of state and Federal tax dollars.

The simple reality is that rural America generally(and the North Country in particular) are massive net drains on the treasuries in Albany and Washington.

We use far more tax dollars than we pay in taxes.

This truth is understandably painful for rural folks, who prefer to view themselves as entrepreneurial and independent.

-Brian, NCPR

 
At September 22, 2009 6:58 PM , Blogger Brian said...

"known your neighbor "

...knowing your neighbor...

 
At September 22, 2009 7:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, is the %0K prisoner; 50K to NYC for taking care of their crime problem or 50K to Essex county that the residents should feel so lucky to get?

 
At September 22, 2009 9:47 PM , Blogger Brian Mann said...

The prisoner question -- and prison money -- is fascinating.

Let's wrestle with it in another blog post.

For the purpose of this conversation, it's enough to point out that prisons are only one component of the North Country's massive reliance on tax dollars paid by urban and suburban taxpayers.

From our schools to our hospitals to our roads to our storefronts to our healthcare to our senior care to our police -- our lives are shaped and improved through the use of other people's tax dollars.

The urban-to-rural redistribution of wealth is one of the largest and most powerful economic trends in American society.

One of the most troubling things for rural folks is that, as urbanites gain more political power, this flow of cash might end.

Will urbanites want to keep funding ORDA? Or subsidizing farms? Or paying for new school buildings?

-Brian, NCPR

 
At September 22, 2009 9:55 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the question should be; can the urbanites survive without the rural? Can the rural survive without the urbanites? What would happen if it all came apart tommorrow. No plowed roads to electricity at the flip of a switch, no supermarkets packed with every food on the planet. Who could do without whom?

 
At September 23, 2009 9:08 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon said: "Maybe the question should be; can the urbanites survive without the rural? Can the rural survive without the urbanites? What would happen if it all came apart tommorrow."
This is kind of the rural fantasia, isn't it? But it's not a good way to think of things, in terms of constant very local conflict. A better way is to broaden us v. them--I'd rather have my tax money go to Buffalo than to Alabama and Texas, or Guam--and for the state to think of itself more as one empire, full of food producers, fresh water and open space on one hand, and a thriving commercial/cultural sector on the other. In other words, support New York, vacation in-state instedda Florida, and buy local. Quit fighting your neighbor.

 
At September 23, 2009 9:40 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

peak oil, cap and trade, against wind, against nuclear, maybe it is not unrealistic to think it could all come apart.

 
At September 23, 2009 11:18 AM , Blogger Brian said...

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At September 23, 2009 11:19 AM , Blogger Brian said...

"Maybe the question should be; can the urbanites survive without the rural?"

How about we just acknowledge that neither could live without each other? Why is it so hard to admit that both rural and urban areas contribute to our economic, culture and society, even if they make different contributions?

Why is there such a strong impulse to be exclusionary or have an air of superiority? That so many people believe they can only build themselves up by tearing others down is ruining us.

I like the small town I live in. I don't have to tear down NYC to make that point.

 
At September 23, 2009 11:27 AM , Blogger Pete Klein said...

Maybe it is time for the Real Americans aka Native Americans aka Indians to take back their country, legally stolen by the so called, self proclaimed real Americans.
This country is going silly.

 
At September 23, 2009 9:42 PM , Anonymous Bret4207 said...

Brian Mann, you should be ashamed of yourself. You don't get it, do you? It's not rural vs urban, it's not black vs. white. It's right vs wrong. It's about a gov't that's grown far beyond it's ability to function, a gov't that is filled with career politicians whose concern isn't serving the people, but getting reelected and maintaining power. It's about a gov't that's broke financially planning on spending more than we can possibly pay back. It's about corruption and greed at all levels in both parties. It's not about Obamas skin tone, it's about his lack of character and the people he associates with and how he conducts himself. That goes for Bush too and if McCain had been elected we'd be doing the same thing. This was building for years. You think McCain and his open border policy would go with the Tea Baggers? NOT!

Get your head on straight and look beyond he liberal paradigm. People, rural and urban, care about the direction our country is headed and the National Debt and Deficit. They care about jobs and the border and violence and war. They care about their kids and their future. They want a Gov't that listens to them, not the DNC or RNC. It's not about race, it's about our future.

Some of what you posted was the most insulting type of class bigotry I've seen. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

 
At September 23, 2009 10:20 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i enjoy your reportng brian but i have to say this article about the north country being a substantial net beneficiary of government spending and urban residents being more educated than north country residents is misleading.

As another blogger noted state prisons are used to house predominately nyc criminals which benefits the city by making it safer. Also sometimes prisoners' residents and families move to the north country to be closer to the inmates which isn't always a good thing.

Fort Drum serves to protect the whole nation and is just not of benefit to the north country.

What of the wall street bailout? Very little of that money flowed to the north country as it went heavily towards nyc and other urban areas.

The lack of tax money coming from the nc can in large part be attributed to a weak economy created by overregulation (the apa's regulations- which in some cases have been deemed unconstitutional- come to mind) promulgated by nyc and albany politicians.

Also what of the cheap hydro and nuclear power (if you include oswego county as part of the nc) that flow to nyc and other urban areas? Shouldn't that be considered?

As far as education levels go, the worst north country public is still probably better than the NYC school system. What of the numerous colleges in the nc? To the extent education levels are lower in the nc is attributable to the nc having an older population and analysts' disregard for vocational training as education.

One could argue suburban areas are more educated than the nc. But as far urban areas i'm very skeptial.

 
At September 23, 2009 10:25 PM , Blogger Brian Mann said...

Bret4207 -

Barack Obama and overwhelming majorities of Democrats in Congress were elected by Americans just over six months ago.

Obama and the Democrats are doing exactly what they promised during the campaign.

That's responsive, representative democracy.

It's perfectly fair, of course, to argue that the Democrats have poor ideas and should be defeated and voted out of office.

That's how the system works.

But to argue that this government is illegitimate or unresponsive to the will of the people -- as many rural whites have done -- is simply and factually wrong.

I point out what I view as clear flaws in David Brooks' argument; and I argue that the divide between urban and rural in America has a racial dimension.

I don't see how any of my points are insulting or suggest class bigotry.

-Brian, NCPR

 
At September 24, 2009 9:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know Brian asked to put this on another thread, but the prisons thing: If the prisons were in NYC, the criminals would still be off the streets--and NYC would have all those corrections jobs. The reason they don't beg to have prisons downstate is because the real estate can make more money doing something else. It could probably be the case here, too; having all the prisons up here is really economically inefficient.
But for North Country residents to complain about having them up here, like they're some kind of handicap? Please. Go ahead and shut them down, then.
Oh, wait, Spitzer suggested that, and all hell broke loose up here.

 
At September 24, 2009 12:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Folks don't you get it. Mr. Mann is always right. He's a journalist therefore know more than anyone else with his own blog.

 
At September 24, 2009 12:47 PM , Blogger Brian Mann said...

Come on, Anonymous. I don't claim to ALWAYS be right. Except with my 13-year-old.

:)

brian

 
At September 24, 2009 5:10 PM , Anonymous Bret4207 said...

Cool, my response to Brian never posted itself, or so it seems. That's strange.

Anyway Brian, in a nutshell- the gov;t didn't listen to people about the bailouts, the border, the Patriot Act (which Obama is making full use of!)Cap and Trade, the auto bailouts, health care or a lot of other things. Look beyond your bias Brian.

And yes, your whole tone in the blog post IS insulting. The urban, educated elite know best and pay more taxes ( gee, there's more of them than us, go figure) than us hillbillies in our trailers up here. Did you ever stop to consider NYS outrageous taxes stifle business growth in the North Country? That regulations and urban elites make it difficult if not impossible to build anything here? Try opening a mine or building a resort, or putting up a freakin Walmart! It's just not on the agenda. Look at the Adirindack Museum and tell me that could have been built if it was a private business! It's the urban elites that run things that determine what can be done in the North Country, and more so in the Park.

Well, I gotta go get a six pack of Genny and a carton of Marlboros with my welfare money and then drive my pickup back to the trailer so I can beat my wife and kids. Too bad I'm not an educated urban elitist, then I'd be able to rise above all this.

 
At September 25, 2009 9:33 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

happy you picked up on the humor in my post. as always good job Brian.

 
At October 1, 2009 6:01 AM , Blogger Big said...

PLEASE!

You're saying that urban people use less tax dollars?

I'll point to one thing, the Big Dig in Boston. A sinkhole for tax dollars.

I'll take my rural life over your crowded, smog-filled, panhandler-filled, drug addict having, inner city any day.

BTW, next time, try providing some factual data nitwit. I have an MA degree from USC and own my own farm. Duh.

 
At October 1, 2009 6:29 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big - I'm leaving your comment up this time because I think you're new to this site.

We don't use ad hominem attacks here. Make your argument, state your opinion.

But next time you use language like 'nitwit' for people sharing this discussion, you're out.

This is a community, not a flame circle.

-Brian, NCPR

 

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