Wednesday, May 27, 2009

Questioning the property tax "circuit breaker"

A couple of years ago I was talking informally to a local politician, a conservative Republican, from a rural county in the Adirondacks.
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He was lamenting the fact that he was constantly being harassed by people wanting the government to pay for the care of their elderly parents.

They were looking for ways to hide the parents' assets, so that they wouldn't have to spend their private wealth for essentials like medicine, housing and nursing home care.

Instead, taxpayers would be forced to step in with Medicare and Medicaid payments.

These are exactly the kind of costs that are kicking a huge hole in county budgets and driving up property taxes.

(Health care is the single biggest chunk of every North Country county's budget.)

It was a private conversation, but it stayed with me as a kind of microcosm of our current dilemma.

Americans want the government to do far more for them and their families. And we don't want to pay taxes to fund those services.

We want government to provide jobs, health care, safe roads, inspected meat, farm subsidies, plowed roads, great schools, and on and on.

But we want someone else (foreign lenders? our children? fatcat millionaires in New York City?) to pick up the tab.

In the past, this kind of freeloading -- let's call it what it is -- was enabled by massive Wall Street bonuses, which translated into outsized tax revenues for New York state.

Those revenues were passed along to local governments and school districts -- and to property tax payers via the STAR program.

And now, despite the massive fiscal crisis, the hunt for the free lunch continues in Albany.

The legislature is working to create a "circuit breaker" provision for property taxes that would allow people under a certain income level to pay far less for local government and local services.

On the face of it, it sounds fair and progressive: Only those with the ability to pay are forced to pay.

The danger here isn't that the property tax burden will be shifted to fewer and fewer wealthy New Yorkers. (Though I think we are approaching a breaking point there.)

The real risk is that more people will grow complacent with the idea that their government services should be provided free-of-charge.

What incentive do we have to keep costs down if someone else keeps picking up the tab?

The solution to New York's soaring property tax problem is really very simple:

Local people have to force their own governments to cut costs. Yes, that includes limiting mandates from Albany and Washington.

But the biggest challenge will be ending our small-town addiction to public sector (i.e. taxpayer supported) jobs.

We'll also have to wean ourselves from all the freebies. Heck, we may even have to use our own money to pay for our own parents' care.

What a radical idea. Families caring for their own.

The bottom line? We've been living beyond our means. Far beyond our means. And the only honest way to get to lower taxes is to demand fewer services.

(Sounds kind of weird doesn't it? Demanding less.)

So it's time to get involved. Go to local government meetings. Show up during budget review sessions. Ask questions.

And be sure to volunteer some things that you are willing to sacrifice.

10 Comments:

At May 27, 2009 12:42 PM , Anonymous Cape Vincent taxpayer said...

Right on, Brian! You should consider a full-length report on the points you raise in your issue, and don't keave it just for those who stumble upon your blog.

But I disagree that the "circuit breaker" concept is a fair and valid way to level the playing field for school and local municipal taxes.

If we want to tie school taxes to income, then we should have an "income tax," and not just call it something else.

The fact is that our reliance on taxing land and buildings is as outdated as horses and buggies.

Why is it fair that I should pay more (or less) tax than someone who lives in a similar size house across the street, across town or in the next community.

I choose to live in a small house. Why is it fair that I should pay more in taxes than my senior citizen neighbor, who lives in a house twice as large, but has less income?

If public schools are a public responsibility, we all should bear a fair (read, equal) share of the burden.

We need to stop tinkering around the edges and rethink our tax system from the bottom up, and start with fairness as a basic premise.

 
At May 27, 2009 4:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, Cape Vincent Taxpayer.

Let's not muddy the water with this "circuit breaker" idea. The property tax system is inherently unfair. Increase income tax. The more you make, the more you contribute. Increase sales tax. The more you make, the more you buy, the more you contribute.

 
At May 27, 2009 4:11 PM , Blogger Brian Mann said...

I actually think property taxes do more good than harm.

They make people feel the price of their government.

The taxes deliver a very real sting. And they're very local.

If you want your property taxes to go down, the solution is available.

Go tell your town, village or county that you want fewer services and fewer government jobs.

Otherwise, whatever label you put on it, you're simply shifting the cost around -- and usually asking someone else to pick up your tab.

-Brian

 
At May 27, 2009 7:54 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The main problem with property tax is people who retire from other parts of the state or country, sell their former house for a huge sum of money, come to the NC and pay a large sum of money for a house and then all their neighbors get assessed similarly. Unfair. If someone pays a huge sum for a property, fine, tax them on it. However, people should not be forced out of their lake Placid, tupper Lake , Saranac Lake, Paul Smiths homes because the rich and famous are moving in. Property tax is a good tax. It is cheap to collect and 90% of it ends up with the intended source. Income tax and sales tax result in lying,cheating and far less of the revenues going to the intended source. Without a property tax people would hord landand young people would have less hope than they do now of getting starteed.
Let people vote on School budgets, and town budgets. remove eductional mandates and stop with the bare road policy and we might actually beable to make this state solvent again.

 
At May 28, 2009 7:52 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If an "income based ability to pay"
factor were used in determining property taxes, wouldn't that also lend itself to a large loophole? Whenever income tax is brought up, the issue of cheating and lying is sure to follow. One can't argue based on the number of prominent figures in the news that seem to have tax troubles.

As much as the idea makes sense, the majority of the citizens won't ask their respective gov't entities for less. We have embarked on a journey where the gov't is doing more and more; and people aren't likely to pull their hands back. On the whole, it comes down to a minority of the people paying a majority of the taxes. The circuit breaker would only further that ideal.

 
At May 28, 2009 11:17 AM , Anonymous jill said...

I think we've elevated the individual way out of proportion tto the good of the group. We value privacy in a way that can only bve called selfish, if compared with the culture of previous generations. It's ironic that we are willing to underwrite our independenc and privacy by taxing others. The safety net is to keep people from hitting bottom, not to prevent any private money being used so families can still take cruises or hike in Patagonia while Medicaid reimburses a facility for your mom or dad. I don't know how people would react to the old-fashioned idea of families living in close contact, or in the same house. I don't think we need an iniative to look into it- I think it just \needs to be done. We are so afraid of doing something without a government study being the ice-breaker.

 
At May 28, 2009 3:01 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Soooooo, cut ALL government funding to nursing home facilities and the like? How do we tell if someone is down on their luck or hiding their money(not spending inheritance) Sounds like just one more place for some persons to strech the truth while others honestly payup.

 
At May 28, 2009 3:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The issue appears to be; What should the government provide and if they provide do they only provide it to some or do they provide it for everyone?

 
At May 29, 2009 9:24 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we have to be less dismissive of the problem and costs. A case in point: I left a good job to assist with my dad's care, and now that he has moved into assisted living, there is no way I could pay the $44,000 annual bill. I don't even make that much. My parents are frugal children of the Depression. They bought long-term care insurance long ago, so they are paying their way. But LTC insurance expires after a few years, and then the state starts taking assets as well as income. Mom is elderly but so far healthy enough to live at home. Should she be forced out of her home because her husband's care ate all that a lifetime of hard work and careful planning built? This is not about hiding assets so we kids can take a trip. This is real. Just to be clear what we are talking about.

 
At June 2, 2009 8:46 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brian,

I respectfully disagree with your assessment that I can simply tell my local government to reduce services. The school taxes are the real burden. I currently pay 42% of my income on my property taxes (school and county). I have one little vote on the scool budget.

The property tax system effectively creates zoning by economic class. The lake I live on since the 1970s was then polluted with raw sewage. Once that was cleaned up the place became a desireable place to live. This drove property values up and forced many of my neighbors out. Waterfront, views, etc, are zoned for wealthy residents who can pay the arbitray tax and log-time residents pushed out to economically depressed locations with low property (school and local) taxes. Unfair.

When one makes simple improvements to their proerty, new pain, landscaping, energy efficient windows, whatever, they are penalized for this with increased assessment. Why are we penalizing people with increased taxes for making their community beautiful? So only the weathly can afford them? Bad idea.

Property taxes favor the super rich. It allows them to live wherver they want and forced long-time residents of geographically desirable places to move. This is not right.

The property tax started in 12th century england as a way to tax production. A person was taexed on their cows, fences, acres, etc. Everyone was using land and property to earn a living. Last I checked I am not selling bedrooms or bathrooms.

Taxes should be based on income and consumption. We should not fear losing our houses because a numbskull from downstate is willing to pay aburd amount for it.

-mg

 

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